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I had my first irritation at fragmented discussion today. I'm now considering directing LJ readers to comment at my Dreamwidth journal. But I don't want to do that either.

Other than that, I'm considering sending some of the less feelgood pomes to a local publisher. Can I handle rejection? I'm not very good at rejection, but this is a small local cooperative, so I looooove them.

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From:

piranha

yeah, it keeps annoying me more and more. i might just start redirecting before the end of open beta if it continues like that. it is so easy to comment on DW; i'm not sure how much longer i'll feel like accomodating people who have an anti-DW thing going.

From:

serenecooking

For me, it's not that, and I've only just figured out what it is, so you get to be the one I post about it in response to. It's not that I'm accommodating anti-DW people (I don't actually know anyone who's anti-DW). It's that it feels weird to me to use LJ as nothing but a mirror site. It feels strange to be all "Okay, I'm going to put my posts here in this place where I've had an account for eight years and have contributed and participated and been part of a community, and now, I'm moving over there, but I'm not just moving over there -- I'm moving there AND I'm going to come over and tell you everything I'm telling people over THERE, but in order to talk to me about it, you have to go find me over there."

(You were pretty harsh with me last time I tried to explain this, and I decided not to respond to you. Please don't be harsh with me about it this time, because I'm certain I'm not articulating it all that well, but I'm willing to keep trying unless you go all sarcastic and insulty on me again.)

From:

piranha

i was? when was that? i apologize. could you please tell me when i am coming across like an arse, so i can fix it? i am not usually meaning to pound on you; i must have been really cranky (but that's no excuse).

this paragraph isn't about you: i _do_ know people who have an anti-DW thing, and they tick me off because they make a big deal about having to go to DW to post, but the very same peple go and comment on blogs elsewhere, which is considerably more effort. i am disinclined to accomodate those much longer. if they want to stop talking to me as a punishment for me leaving LJ, well, be that way. it seems juvenile to me. i make an effort to reply to people wherever they make their home on the net -- i wish that were easier(google wave, maybe), and i don't do it as much as i probably should, but i do try.

i think i see what you mean about the weirdness. i felt some weirdness originally, especially when i was talking a lot about how great dreamwidth is. but i stopped doing that; and am in fact explicitly no longer crossposting DW-specific things. so i don't see it the same way anymore, because:

- i am still paying for my LJ account.
- i'm not crossposting primarily for my own benefit; i'm doing it for the people who're not moving. some of it is for my benefit too -- because i don't want to necessarily lose touch, and i am willing to do my share to not let that happen. but there's a limit to what i consider "my share" to be; repeating myself in comments starts to feel like too much.
- i will basically be doing the same thing a feed does, except i actually have power over the account, unlike a feed, which sucks (as you have just noticed yourself). do you think feeds are also weird? i mean, LJ actively facilitates them.

i hope that wasn't too harsh? (i am serious; i sometimes can't tell.)

From:

serene

The comment I was referring to is here, but I gotta say, it looks less nasty to me today than it did on that day, and I must apologize for characterizing it as worse than it is. (I honestly haven't looked at it since that day, because it looked so mean to me that day that it made me cry.)

I do think feeds are a little weird, and yet I love them. I think that comparing crossposting-without-comments to a feed is helpful to me; thank you.

From:

piranha

*rereading*. yeah, i was cranky, and mildly annoyed with you, because i felt you were mischaracterizing people like me.

but i could have said that less harshly, really. that smiley tacked onto the end didn't make up for the ratt-tat-tat tone of the whole thing.

i am sorry it made you cry. *gnarg*. i hate doing that.

From:

supermouse

I think you can handle rejection and even the relentless try-try-try again of being published, once you've made up your mind that this is really what you want to do. I have faith in you to do *anything* you set your mind to unless actively stopped. I am generally in awe of you.

I think regarding LJ/DW, I will keep with the crossposting, since it's so easy, but then I haven't run into the fragmented-discussion thing. It might be because... well, partly because I've not blogged recently (by the time I catch up with blogs I am knackered). Partly because I learn of all comments via email, so the discussion always *is* fragmented. Partly because I don't post very much that would lead to discussion.

Without naming names, what was the aspect of fragmented discussion that was annoying?

From:

niallm.livejournal.com

What have you honestly got to lose? It's not as if other world-famous poets never get rejected for anything - they do, plenty of times.

From:

thereyougothen.livejournal.com

if you like the publisher and you like your poems, of course you should submit them. Publishers can't survive without material after all, and your pomes are *good*

From: (Anonymous)

Send the pomes! If they don't like them, you've lost nothing - - but the fact that you're wondering about it assures me that the pomes are good. People who write truly dreadful poetry always think it's work of near genius and want to inflict it on everyone they meet and never ever wonder if it's any good.
Daphne xx

From:

ailbhe

pomes.dreamwidth.org is a place you could go to actually tell me what you really think (the latter has a couple of recent ones which are not at the former, but until very very recently they are total duplicates).

After all, incompetence and self-doubt aren't ALWAYS mutually exclusive!